2016.03.06 What is the Age of All this? – REALLY? Created by James on 4/14/2018 11:57:29 AM Discussion of the age of the surface of the Earth as we know it today
What is the Age of All this? – REALLY?
By
James A. Robertson
We have repeatedly been told that the surface of the Earth is millions or billions of years old.We read of archaeological finds with ages like this.In the introduction to this book I made the point that nearly all things in the physical world follow exponential characteristics and that extrapolation, even by small amounts is extremely unwise.So, when DID this flood really take place?
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xnw8tt3Za4
And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoUwRzvqGs
In considering the question of the age of the current topography and geology one must keep in mind that the surface of the earth was TOTALLY mashed up in the wake of the Ice Comet impact and that therefore EVERYTHING on the surface of the earth today dates back to NO earlier than the date of this event.
So, when WAS the event?
How long ago?Each stage of what has been discussed happened rapidly.More likely to be weeks or months per stage rather than millions or billions of years.There are written records that suggest this happened as recently as 2345BC.Other widely held opinions state that these events took place millions or billions of years ago.Which view is more reliable?
- Exponential versus Linear
Fundamental to understanding the question of ageing of this event is to come to terms with the reality that most physical characteristics follow exponential curves and are NOT linear.This is particularly so with radioactive decay.
So, we get a situation where if we assume linear trends extrapolation gives ages in millions of years but if we assume exponential trends then extrapolation on the same data gives perhaps thousands of years.
- The God’s Word Phenomenon
This whole situation is clouded by what might be termed “The God’s Word Phenomenon” which relates to people who claim that the Bible is the “Word of God” and without error and therefore try and ram their beliefs down other people’s throats on the basis of “the Bible says!”.
In fact, it turns out that a key aspect of the debate relates to ignorant insistence on the Bible as final authority with NO understanding of physics or any other technical knowledge versus arguments against believing the Bible that then go off at a tangent and miss the point.
The brutal truth is that NOWHERE in any Bible I have ever read, and I have read many Bibles, does it say something like “I the undersigned, being the person who collated all the writings in this book, hereby testify that I was directly and intensely guided by the Almighty Creator and I therefore testify that this book is ‘the Word of God’” – even if there WAS such a passage one would need to ask carefully how much reliance one should place on such a declaration by an unknown person.Then, if one were to ask the Almighty His opinion one would discover that He is not particularly keen on the Bible because of the way people worship it and have relationships with it instead of worshipping Him, see http://end-time-issueministries.org/TheBible.aspx.html for more information on this topic.
So, bottom line as I see it is that the Bible is a useful and reasonably authoritative compilation of historical writings by a diversity of human beings who have had a variety of relationships with the Almighty, NO MORE!
- The My Teacher Told me Phenomenon
So, we get otherwise rational and sensible people who suspend their intellect on the basis of unwise beliefs about the Bible.
Then we get other rational and sensible people who suspend their intellect based on what some educator or other esteemed person told them.
The harsh reality, as we have seen so far, is that conventional wisdom regarding this event we like to call “The Flood” is that there is a LOT of wrong thinking on the part of people whose opinions are, for the most part, authoritative.As far as I can determine most of this wrong thinking relates to beliefs that they took on early in their careers from people they esteemed and greatly respected and therefore never questioned and, to question those people now, seems in some way disrespectful.So we find otherwise rational academics making statements about the age of things that simply do not gel.
We also have the problem of Geologists, Historians, and other specialists who lack Engineering training and Engineering fundamentals who therefore make assumptions that are simply NOT valid.
- The problem of clean sharp corners
All over the world we find clean rocks with sharp corners.Over millions or billions of years these corners would be weathered and rounded by thermal stressing and covered with moss and lichen.So millions of years is improbable.Are there other indicators of age?
- Reductio ad Absurdem
We have spoken before of the mathematical and legal principle and technique of “Reductio ad Absurdum”—reduce to the absurd.This is a well-established and well proven deductive technique and I will use it presently.The term is very well known and well applied.At the time of writing there were over 389,000 exact matches of the phrase in quotes on Google:
- Extrapolation should be avoided
We also discussed the engineering and mathematical principle that extrapolation should be avoided.This is so because it is NOT possible to predict the behaviour of materials and other phenomena outside the realms of observed data.Searching for that text in quotes to get an exact match on Google we find 2,920 exact matches.
This is an important deductive principle, a principle that is totally violated by those who claim that they can age archaeological remains to millions or billions of years when all they are measuring is noise in data which is almost certainly exponential and which is subject to all sorts of contamination over time.
- Millions or billions of years is absurd
“We know the radioactive decay rate of … ”.“We have no basis to assume that there has been a non-linear trend”.
Everything so far in this book indicates massively non-linear events.Written records going back thousands of years indicate a recent event.
Millions of years is therefore highly improbable, technically unsound and logically absurd.
So, the harsh bottom line is that from a fundamental first principles engineering, scientific, mathematical, logical perspective, even thinking that one can project back millions or billions of years with regard to the age of artefacts found on the surface of the Earth is absurd.
- The Bible is the Word of God and without error is absurd
The Bible is a collection of writings by assorted people.Nowhere in the book is there a passage that unambiguously catalogues the content of the book and defines its scope.There are books of the same name that have different compilations and literally hundreds of different English versions.Nowhere in the book does it claim that the entire compendium of writings is without error and nowhere in the book does it claim that the entire compendium of writings is the “word of God” or “Yah” (the true name of the Creator.
The book contains errors and contradicts itself in various places.
The “the Bible is the inerrant word of God / Yah” is therefore absurd.
- Could Genesis be correct?
At this point I suggest that the most that we can say about the book {Bible} is that it is a collection of writings the oldest of them generally accepted to be at least 2,500 years old.The book claims that there was a global flood in about 2345 BC, or more accurately, the section of the Bible named “Genesis” (origins) says that.
At this stage let us NOT get into whether the flood was an act of a being whom is customarily referred to as “God” or “THE LORD” or even whether He exists or not.Let us simply say that “Genesis claims there was a global flood” and examine that portion of that book further.
Genesis is presented as an historical account of REAL events.Can we validate this?Minor errors are NOT a problem if we consider the writings to be the work of human beings who, like ourselves, make mistakes.Most specifically, CAN we regard reports of a global flood about 4,500 years ago as reliable?
So what DOES Genesis say?
Genesis 7:11-12 “In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.” NKJV
Based on the fact that the human beings alive at the time were all in a closed boat and had NO way of knowing exactly what happened, the fact that the above account does NOT exactly conform to what I have presented is of NO concern.
Genesis 8:3-4 “And the waters receded continually from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters decreased. Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.” NKJVThey came to rest on the mountains of Ararat, THAT is the important piece here.
Ron Wyatt, Jonathan Gray and others have travelled to the mountains of Ararat in Eastern Turkey and found a boat that is similar to that described in Genesis.
They have found the remains of a huge wooden vessel submerged in a volcanic mudflow found in the mountains of Ararat in Turkey. The size agrees with Genesis 6:15 -- length 150 meters, width 25 meters and height 15 meters.
Based on excavations they have constructed a model of the way they think the boat looked:
They have also found a house, a grave and some engravings.The boat carried a family of eight people, a man, his wife and their three sons and their wives.They were subject to a flood.
The man was approximately 18 feet, six metres, tall as evidenced by the grave and the geometry of the house.
There is every reason to conclude that the remains of the boat and the house and engravings validate the account in Genesis.Therefore it is absurd to claim that Genesis is NOT a reliable account when it comes to its report regarding the flood, at least at the headline level.
The outline of the boat can even be identified in Google Earth at the location where it is reported to have been found.
- Genesis genealogies give the date of the flood
Genesis also contains a detailed genealogy from before the flood to well after the flood.
This genealogy is confirmed at a headline level by genealogies located in Ireland and elsewhere:
- Egyptian time lines confirm
Egyptian time lines support a flood date of about 2345BC.Like many other advanced civilizations Egypt (Mitzraim) sprang up rapidly after the flood immediately with advanced technology. Once certain wrong assumptions with regard to the Egyptian dynasties are resolved Egyptian timelines correlate.
Likewise other advanced civilizations around the world – Babylon, Matchu Pitchu, etc confirm that these civilizations sprang up suddenly shortly after 2345BC – it is apparent that Noah and his family brought with them advanced technology.
So, again, we see that it is absurd to discount the timeline given in Genesis.Arguments that suggest that these things could NOT have happened in the time presented in Genesis are unfounded because they lack the critical facts that are presented in this book.
- Some useful references from Jonathan Gray
Following are some books from Jonathan Gray that are available from his website and also from Amazon.
- The Killing of Paradise Planet – reconstruction of the earth before the flood based on the archaeological evidence that does exist from before the flood.
- Surprise Witness – reconstruction of the events during the flood.
- The Corpse Came Back – reconstruction of the events following the flood, repopulation of the earth, dispersion of tribes and peoples – this is a particularly valuable book, very thought provoking.
- Dead Men’s Secrets – 1,000 archaeological findings that evidence that the civilization destroyed by the flood was far MORE SOPHISTICATED than our current civilization and had technologies we do not have today – this is a MUST READ for anyone who is seriously interested in the history of man as we exist today, a real eye opener.
Reading and videos to change your worldview available from www.beforeus.com or from Amazon.
There are also some books that explain why commonly used dating methods are defective.
- Nuclear war not long after the flood
A further complexity.
In Dead Men’s Secrets Gray reports an account of what appears to be a nuclear war:
There are apparently remains of cities on various continents which show evidence of being destroyed in a nuclear war and this then opens the problem that this variable nuclear activity on the Earth after the flood further contaminates any attempt to use radio-carbon or other dating methods that rely on radioactivity.
This also introduces the possibility that Australopithecus and other “missing link” humanoid “apes” were, in fact, the mutant offspring of humans who survived the nuclear attacks but who were badly affected by radiation.
- Total destruction of the surface of the earth less than 4,500 years ago disrupts many other theories
Global warming is a result of the earth continuing to dry out as water drains from the continents.So is the rising of sea levels – cities have been submerged.
Races can all trace their origin back to Noah and his family – all differences are a consequence of degradation (negative evolution) and passively mutation as a consequence of radioactive exposure during the flood, immediately after the flood and after the nuclear war.
Evolution over millions of years is invalid, in fact it really IS absurd.In fact, it turns out that dinosaurs lived recently and the Loch Ness Monster was probably a real dinosaur.
- The exact age is not critical but the principle is important
A debate as to whether the flood occurred in exactly 2345BC or 10,000 or 20,000 years ago is not that critical.
It IS important to decide whether there WAS a global flood.Your view on this information may point you to some major decisions.
It is also important to recognize that this happened relatively recently and NOT millions of years ago.This realization has a HUGE impact on how one views a number of other key discussions like evolution versus creation.
There has to have been a MASSIVE global hydraulic and tectonic event (“flood”).
Engineering principles say that long range extrapolation is unwise and reckless.
Sharp young rocks everywhere point to a young age.Historical accounts point to less than 4,500 years ago.There are good reasons to accept the Genesis account and the approximate date of 2345BC as reliable.
May Father bless you and keep you and make His face to shine upon you
May Yah judge me severely and correct me harshly and show me the level of my present deception and how to correct it with regard to everything that I write and publish
Warm regards and blessings,
James Robertson
Emissary and Spokesman of Yah
12 March 2016
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